Wednesday, April 24, 2013

The True Identity of RED JOHN



**** CAUTION: Spoiler ****

A few months back I told you that I had inadvertently stumbled onto the identity of Red John, the serial killer in the TV Show “The Mentalist”. Several people wrote to me to say I was “arrogant” and “full of it”, but I still didn’t reveal anything, not wanting to ruin the surprise for anybody.

But you may also know that my mother, who was also my best friend, died a month ago. I have no idea where I’ll live or what will happen to me next or even how much longer I’ll be able to keep my blogs going. And keeping the secret of “who Red John is” is NOT at the top of my priority list right now. So I thought I would let YOU decide if you wanted to know. But part of me feels that not telling you is unfinished business I need to take care of. So I'll tell you, but I must warn you, if you don’t want the surprise ruined, STOP READING NOW.

I must admit that it does take some of the thrill out of the show once you know who it is. And once you do know, it becomes so obvious you will wonder how you could have missed it. And once you know it, you can’t UN-know it. So, if you don’t wish to know who Red John is, you’ll have to stop reading right now. (I know you’re probably thinking I have no idea who he is, but do you want to take that risk and perhaps ruin the surprise for yourself ?)
So here it goes. One last chance for you to bail out and just be content to not know.

For those of you who are continuing to read, … you asked for it.
 


Let me start by telling you how I figured it out.

I have a talent for philology. Which is the study of language. That also means I am able to discern different aspects of speech.

It was during the first broadcast of  the episode “The Crimson Hat” in which  Patrick Jane meets Lorelei that I found the answer.  Through Lorelei, Jane meets up with a man he thinks is Red John, sitting in the backseat of a car.

I was quite excited and very attentive at that moment. Patrick Jane and Red John were finally going to meet. Up until then Red John had been frustratingly out of reach. You think they’re going to get near him, but he has so many people working for him that he's too isolated to get close to. It reaches the point where Jane actually kills someone, believing him to be Red John, and it turns out not be him at all.
I figured that since Patrick Jane is the only one that Red John has any respect for, he'll be the only one Red John will allow to get near him. The only one who has an intellect equal to Red John. Patrick Jane is the perfect nemesis for Red John.

Then I heard the voice of Red John in the back seat of that car and my Philology “kicked in” and I realized the truth.
 
Patrick Jane IS Red John!



My mind had never even considered it before that moment. But when I heard “Red John’s” voice I thought, “Hey. The actor portraying Red John has the exact type of cadence of speech as Simon Baker.” Then all the pieces of this mystery quickly fell into place in an instant.
Also, in my area that same episode was rebroadcast only one hour later, so I got to listen to his voice again right away. I’ve heard Simon Baker with a British accent, a Southern American states accent, his regular American accent and, of course, his normal Australian accent, but even as talented as he is, he cannot disguise the cadence of his speech.

The next thing I thought was, “Maybe they just didn’t have the money to hire another actor and just got Simon to do it. Or maybe the actor who was supposed to do it got sick that day and they asked Simon to fill in.” I dismissed both those excuses immediately as pretty stupid. But I simply didn’t want the mystery to be over. Because once you know Red John is Patrick Jane, it is VERY obvious.
It’s like the example of the magician that I often use when discussing the plots of “The Mentalist”. Once you know how the magician does a trick, then he can’t trick you the same way anymore.

I think they are going to conclude the show by saying that Patrick Jane has Multiple Personality Disorder. They have already alluded several times to him being in a mental facility and seeing a psychiatrist before he came to work at the CBI.
The writers have left a lot of open doors so they don’t write themselves into a corner, but I’ll leave all of you to try and figure out the minute details.

But the fact remains that if Red John is so isolated that even the people working for him don’t know who he is, then he definitely can be Patrick Jane. And now that you know, it will become obvious to you too.

In the episode following “The Crimson Hat”, when Patrick breaks Lorelei out of prison, there is a HUGE clue to the identity of Red John. (I gave you a hint in a previous blog post but I don’t think anyone picked it up).
Lorelei says to Patrick that he has shaken hands with Red John. And for several episodes since then Patrick has been trying to remember all the people he’s met and shaken hands with.
BUT that wasn’t the actual clue. What Lorelei said in it’s entirety was, “You and Red John are exactly alike. I don’t know why you didn’t become friends as soon as you shook hands.”
As a good magician would do, the writers made us look at the “Shaking Hands” part of that statement so that we wouldn’t notice the line about, “You and Red John are exactly alike”. And really, if Patrick shot a man thinking him to be Red John, how does Lorelei know she's been with Red John at all. In fact, she hasn't been. She's just been another one of Patrick Jane's "agents" that he hires and assigns duties during the times he believes himself to be Red John. That's the reason Red John is too smart for him. He is him. (Actually it's quite brilliant writing)

But you don’t have to take my word for all this and I don’t have to prove it to you anymore. I’m attaching a video with the conversation in the car, so that you can hear it’s Simon Baker as the voice of Red John.

Also, as you watch the next episodes (and especially watch the reruns) you will see that the writers have it written so that Patrick Jane is Red John. However, it’s not as obvious in the first two seasons of the show because they may not have completely decided it would be Patrick Jane yet.

So now you know. I hope it doesn’t ruin the show for you too much. It’s still a good show and worthy of watching even now that you know.

Thanks for taking the time to read all this. It was my one piece of business on the Internet that felt  I needed to resolve before I left. But it’s been a long time since a television show has kept me interested and guessing for several years. Well done “Mental People”.

Sincerely, Laura-Lee

P.S. Now that you know who Red John is, it might be interesting for you to go back and read my previous posts on this topic. They may make more sense to you now.
 

26 comments:

  1. so he was talkin to himself ... LIVE, and he were about to cut his finger :) very well, i would do that too if i were RJ.

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    1. Oh OH. I get what you're saying now! You totally got it. I think Patrick doesn't KNOW he's Red John. He's not doing it on purpose. It shows how mentally sick he is if he's willing to cut off his own finger. But he did kill his own wife and child, right?
      That's a trick done by the Writers. They knew that they would have BOTH versions of Simon Baker's voice in that scene, so they made Simon (as Jane) talk with a lower voice, then Simon (as Red John) go higher. THEN to make sure that none of us would put it together, they did the finger cut off thing. Freak us out and divert our attention. That's why I refer to the writers as "Magicians". Magicians are always trying to make you look at the WRONG place so you don't figure out the trick.
      sorry for being so thick, Leo. And thanks again for the comment.
      Even knowing that Patrick IS Red John, it's still going to be interesting to see how they work it out. I'm still enjoying the show, hope the rest of you are too.
      (I do investigations in real life and it still took me 2 years of watching to figure it out, and then it was merely by an accident - it was my good ears, not my good brain. So the writers are tops in my book). L-L

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  2. I thank you for your comment , Leo, but I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. and I'm not sure you're understanding what I'm saying either. Maybe you could leave another comment so I understand you better?
    For myself, I'm referring to the voice of RJ that was in the limo. It was either being transmitted from somewhere else or pre-recorded because we discover that it's just some poor guy who is tied up in the back of the car and RJ isn't actually there.
    What I'm saying is, the actual voice they use for RED JOHN in this episode, is Simon Baker's voice. Now why would they get Simon Baker to record the voice of Red John unless they were planning to reveal that he IS Red John in a a couple of years when the show is coming to a conclusion?

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  3. You make an excellent case, and that certainly does sound like Simon Baker on the call, but I can't agree with you that this is going to be the resolution for one simple reason - it would wind up being too convoluted.

    You're absolutely right that it would quite handily explain how Red John manages to stay ahead of Patrick and toy with him - but I'm hoping for a satisfying resolution to the mystery, and this just wouldn't be one. Here's why - if Patrick's alternate personality were Red John, that would mean that no one we've met who claimed to know Red John had only ever working with disciples. Hell, it would mean that Lorelei had never even met the actual Red John, which is pretty close to cheating. Under your logic Roy Tagliafero wasn't Red John, he was just another Disciple - this would likely be read as a betrayal by the audience.

    Red John also wouldn't have been the one who grabbed Christina, sent a message in the graveyard, poisoned the secretary, talked to Patrick over the cell phone, killed someone with Orville Tanner, killed Jared Renfrew, or killed the copycats in season 2. He couldn't even have committed the 'official' Red John murder of Leelee in the season ender. It's also super-unlikely that he could have killed William Panzer, since there's no way Patrick - in any guise, could have snuck up on Panzer and convinced him to go somewhere.

    My point is that if all of those things were done by other people at Evil Patrick's behest - even if they were mostly done by a single super-disciple, for sake of argument, let's say my pick for RJ, Brett Partridge - it would mean that the real 'Red John' had actually done so few of the actions attributed to him that the title would be basically meaningless.

    Yes, as twists go, it would certainly work - and go a long way towards explaining RJ's abilities in the season five finale, but at the same time, it would be the least satisfying resolution because it's too simple. As you say, in a magic trick there's really no magic, it's all misdirection. The rabbit is still in the hat, the table has angled mirrors that make you see the floor (which is the same colour as the backdrop), and Jane bribed a state trooper to plant a note on the body. At the same time, though, taking a pair of scissors to the magician's sleeve and revealing the dove isn't a satisfying end to the story - a satisfying end is cutting open the sleeve and finding out that the dove wasn't there; something far bigger was going on.

    If RJ can outwit Jane because he's the same person, you deflate a balloon. If RJ can outwit Jane because he's can do everything Jane can do, only better - that inflates the balloon to the point where a satisfying final showdown is guaranteed. A final showdown you're robbed of if the final story involves Jane having an identity crisis.

    You're right, though, I can't offer a good explanation for why they had Jane doing the RJ voice - especially since that can't literally have been a recording of Evil Jane talking to Jane, since the guy on the other end of the line responds to specific things that Jane says.

    It's certainly a good mystery, although one I still think has yet to be solved. If it turns out you were right, though, I promise to tip my cap in deference.

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  4. To tell you the truth, I'm sort of hoping I'm wrong too. It is a bit of a let down. But I discovered the "answer" by accident, and every time I play that video of the limo scene, I'm more sure than ever that it's Simon Baker's voice doing both Jane and RJ.
    Jane wouldn't have trouble having a converstation with himself. If YOU wrote both sides of a conversation and then recorded only one side of it, you'd know exactly how to react. What to say and when to say it. But (and I have a big but. ;-) ) the writers have left themselves many open windows and haven't boxed themselves in, so they may be able to move things around and still trick us.
    But this thing they're doing now (at the end of this 5th season), about making us guess from a group of suspects ... I mentioned in one of my previous Red John posts that since there is at least TWO MORE YEARS of episodes for The Mentalist, they were going to take us on a merry tour of everywhere and everyone as possible Red John suspects. I mentioned ( way before Lorelei made that "you shook his hand" comment) that the writers would bring the search for Red John right into the CBI and make us believe it was someone very close to Jane. The writers seem to be acting exactly as they should if they are trying to both REVEAL and HIDE the fact that Red John is Patrick Jane.
    I'm not really concerned about being right (although I haven't had ANYONE tip their cap to me before and it sound like it might be rather nice). But I know what my ears tell me and also what the re-run episodes are pointing to and I have yet to come across something about Red John that can't be explained by it being "insane-Jane". Also remember, what seems like a "let down" to us, won't be a let down to anyone else, IF they don't expect that Jane is RJ. If I didn't know this theory and then it was suddenly revealed to me during the last couple episodes of the entire series, I'd be completely flabber-ghasted. (It only seems a let down to those of us tipped off in advance)
    But I would be quite happy if I were wrong and this is yet another trick. If they gradually start pointing everything towards Jane and then BOOM , flipped on us. But I've been looking through blogs, forums, Twitter, Facebook etc about the Mentalist, to see if anyone has come up with this same conclusion and I haven't even seen a hint of it! The writers are probably sure they've got the viewers completely stumped.
    So maybe I HAVE ruined a portion of the show for some people. But I still find it interesting and entertaining, but indeed some of "the wind is out of the sails". Either way, time will expose all.
    BTW,you'd be surprized at how many comments I get when someone disagrees with me but instead of saying "why" they just cuss me out and call me all manner of nasty names. So I can't even publish their comments. (I'm trying to keep this blog at least at a PG-13 level)
    So this may sound weird, but thanks again for disagreeing with me, so nicely. It's obvious you actually READ what I wrote and used a lot of good logic to debate me. AND spent a good deal of time to write it out (and that's no little thing when a person's time is so very valueable). People like you make it worth the while for me.
    Sincerely, L-L

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  5. My guess is it will turn out to be the sheriff. The actor has played several bad guys for starters including Percy in Nikita. Also he one of the only people that I can recall being tricked by Jane but winds up wiggling out of it. Later a serial killer is caught, but that could be one of Red John's fall guys taking the blame.

    The sheriff is older so he could have been at the barn that was ran formerly by visualize when he was younger. I believe this necessity rules out the CBI Forensic Scientist. I think Kirkland believes Jane is Red John and is thusly investigating him because he perhaps has a tie to one of the previous victims. Bertram is going along with Kirkland because he doesn't like Jane and hopes he is Red John. Bret Stiles is too openly charismatic to be Red John, he would need to be more isolated than that. They could have used Simon Baker's voice on the recording because it would be less costly to use one of the current cast than to bring in Xander (the Sheriff) for that only and Simon has the least accent and inflections of any cast member. Ray Haffner wouldn't bother trying to recruit Lisbon if it were him because Red John understands the bond between Lisbon and Jane. Reede Smith seems a bit too young to have been at the farm, though it's a close call on that one. Sheriff McAllister is very likely Red John.

    Bruno Heller also stated in an interview that Red John is definitely one from the list of 7 and further states definitively that Jane is NOT Red John.

    http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/05/06/mentalist-finale-season-6-red-john-list/

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  6. Actually I wouldn't mind if they WERE cheap and just got Simon Baker to do BOTH the voices in the limo. I think I'd feel less disappointed.
    You brought up a good point about the Sherrif and the barn.My mind never went there so I'm glad YOU brought it up.
    I've noticed in many of the episodes the murderer (just for that week) is often some guy (or gal) that you met briefly and then forget until the big surprize at the end. So maybe.
    However, I certainly don't want to call Bruno Heller a liar (because I respect him and this show too much) BUT if you were in his shoes and someone came right out and said, "Is Red John Patrick Jane?" How would you answer?
    "Yup. absolutely. you're so smart to have guessed it." He CAN'T admit it. Even if it didn't stop the show , in Hollywood the only thing worst than a 9.7 earthquake is losing a ratings point.
    And if they've got YEARS left to go, ... they are going to make us work and scratch for every clue.
    But we Mentalist Fans certainly do a lot of thinking. A credit to both the show and us.
    Thanks for another GREAT comment. Keep those theories coming. I never tire of them. Laura-Lee

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  7. I've thought Jane was John for a long time. It's really the only thing that made sense without the show turning into some bizarre, random plot like Lost. Anybody other than Jane would require supernatural powers. However, Bruno Heller explicitly stated that Jane is not John and that it is one of the final 7 suspects.

    How Heller will pull that off without losing all credibility is a bigger mystery to me than the true identity of Red John.

    Anyway, I agree with you that Jane is the only one that truly makes sense, but remember, the show is written primarily for an American audience who is more interested in Jane kissing Lisbon then a credible story line.

    Actually, I'd go one step further and say even the reality of Jane as RJ is still a little over the top in the real world. It would make more sense if he was actually still in a mental hospital and this whole RJ/Jane thing is simply all in his mind making one of the final 7 suspects is doctor (or patient) in the hospital where he lives out his delusion.

    Regards,

    Hal

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    1. Oooo. I like the way you think, Hal.(have you ever seen the movie, "Identity" with John Cusack? could be something like that.) I'm proud you thought of it on your own. I stumbled onto it (as I mentioned in the post) so I can't claim any real brains, BUT I think you're onto several interesting points. It seems the writers have left enough of a door open in the plot that they can switch things around as they see fit.
      Also, I suppose Bruno (Heller) would have no choice but to flat out deny Jane as R.J. if asked, because there's no way he could say "Yes" and if he were side-stepping answering the question it would be like saying "Yes" anyway. And I suspect the people in Hollywood don't have a lot of problems with telling a lie every now and then in showbiz where the "end justifies the means" most of the time. At any rate, it should prove interesting.
      Thanks for the comments and if you have other theories you would like to share as time goes by, please let us know.
      I am pretty sure that they are going to "milk this for all it worth", so I doubt the answer will be revealed any time soon.
      L-L

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  8. No, I haven't seem "Identity", is it worth watching? Always on the lookout for a good movie that makes me think. :-)

    I'll tell you one thing the Mentalist does remind me of though (excluding the mental hospital angle) is "The Usual Suspects" and the mysterious Keyser Soze.

    Btw, when I started thinking the mental hospital angle was the episode where Jane sees his dead daughter in an Alice in Wonderland parallel and they show him tied up in a straight jacket. Almost like her death was caused by something he did that has driven him over the edge where this whole Red John thing takes place in his mind as a way of coping with what actually happened.

    I was a die hard fan until Jane killed the fake Red John in the mall, but it's been downhill ever since, imo. The proverbial shark jump was him getting off scott free with murder. Now I just watch it online whenever to see how much of a train wreck it will become in absurdity. However, if Heller somehow pulls a rabbit out of the hat, ties it all together logically and makes the RJ arc credible I'll gladly eat my words.

    Hal

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  9. I've recommended "Identity" (with John Cusack) for you and let me say, I have watched literally thousands of murder mystery movies and I did NOT see the conclusion coming until it was revealed.
    Also, thanks to you for mentioning "The Usual Suspects". I had heard of it but have never seen it. BUT Keyser Soze is on a list of "100 greatest fictional characters" and I love Kevin Spacey, so thanks for that recommendation.
    As for the Mentalist ... they have a massive hit TV show that is bringing in "oodles" of money, so they will not wish to end the series one second before they have to. So they will take us down all sorts of 'garden paths' before we get any where near who Red John is. The show will go on for another couple years (at least) and they've got to fill it with something.
    I've been thinking if I had to pick the identity of Red John, who would it be and how would he/she be revealed. But I'll write that in a blog post all it's own, when I've got it worked out in my head better. Have you got any idea of who YOU would pick to be Red John if it was actually one of the people we've already seen on the show?
    Oh, and BTW, thanks for the comments. I love them. You're great for taking the time to share.
    Love L-L

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  10. Well the only two possibilities that make any logical sense to me are Patrick (for reasons stated earlier), the other would be the son of the founding leader of the Visualize cult (not Stiles).

    I can't remember the exact episode, but there was an episode where Stiles talked about when he first took over visualize from the founder because it wasn't being properly exploited. The impression I got was that Stiles had him killed.

    In any case, Red John would be the offspring of that man. Who he is out of that final list of 7, I'm not quite sure. But if I had to pick one name it would be Ray Haffner, the only one we know for sure that was at the cult farm when he was younger.

    Hal

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  11. Well I finally got to watch "Identity" this past weekend. Wow that was messed up. Interesting that the actor who plays LaRoche was part of the Identity cast. It kind of reminded me of my insane asylum theory of Jane.

    Hal

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  12. Dear Hal;
    Ahhhh! Visualize. My mind never went there. But that WOULD be an interesting conclusion. However, I never actually figured out who R.J. is except for the "voice" in the limousine. There's no way I could have come up with any kind of near interesting conclusion if I hadn't heard that. But your mind is obviously computer-like. It's spinning, stopping on each character and saying "What if ...?".
    Ray Haffner? Hmmm. You might have a point. If you take a look at each individual episode of the Mentalist, most of the time the person who "did it" was someone who is quickly mentioned, then discarded. So it's very possible that the entire series may end up that way. RJ is someone we were introduced to slightly then our attention diverted elsewhere.
    Thanks for your input. It continues to keep this topic interesting. For me and the other readers.
    L-L

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  13. Hey Laura-Lee,

    After watching the supposed killing of Partridge last week, along with the caged birds in the empty house and the phone call Jane received, I'm going to change my prediction of Red John's identity. Yeah, I know Partridge is supposed to be dead. But I think the blood came from one of those birds in the house and wasn't his own.

    Also, after listening to the phone call Jane received while CBI Ron was walking by that Lisbon couldn't come to the phone, I went to YouTube and listened to Partridge's voice from every appearance in the series. It sounded the same (to me).

    Anyway, the remainder of my theory regarding RJ's tie to Visualize remains the same but somehow Partridge faked his own death and he'll reappear at the climax. :-)

    Episode 2 is tomorrow night, let's see what they with Partridge's body. Even if they stick a fork in him, I'm still going with RJ = Partridge (assuming the "it's all in Jane's mind" is not a possibility).

    Hal

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  14. Dear Hal;
    Clickity-Clickity-Click. I can hear your mind from here. I think that once Red John is finally identified they are going to have to work long and hard to make it MORE interesting then some of the things you come up with. (And a lot of other people's theories as well).
    If the answer is not beyond spectacular, the people on the Mentalist will be laying a big egg that will go down in TV history.
    L-L

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  15. I hear you L-L. I for one will be totally (but pleasantly) shocked if Heller comes up with a remotely plausible explanation instead of laying the epic egg.

    After watching episode 2 last night, with the 3 possible Red Johns in Bertram's office talking about how much Jane actually knows, the RJ accomplice net is revealed as laughably wide. All I kept thinking was Invasion of the Body Snatchers meets Ellery Queen.

    We already know Visualize has law enforcement members, that RJ is somehow tied to Visualize, that the fake RJ talked about starting a new life and getting a new face in the mall scene and that Kirkland gave the impression he too had a new face in the hospital scene.

    With an accomplice net that seems to permeate every level of law enforcement, capturing him would be temporary at best. I sure hope Heller is not going to reveal Partridge as RJ who then gets a new face to reboot the never ending RJ Moriarty story arc.

    Hal

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    1. Hey Hal,
      Ellery Queen meets Body Snatchers. I love it! (Actually, the coincidence is weird because I just got some DVD's of the Ellery Queen series starring Tim Hutton).
      AND I completely forgot about the "new face" thing. There are SO many clues. How do you remember them all?
      It's obvious you read a lot of mysteries too and have done your "homework". I think YOU should be writing for the Mentalist. When I'm watching a new episode of "The Mentalist" I have started to think, "I wonder what Hal thinks about that."
      Thanks for making this topic more interesting, intricate and intense than I could have by myself.
      sincerely, L-L

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    2. Hey L-L,

      I'm pretty sure I'd disappoint you as a writer, but I'd probably do well if hired to find plot holes in scripts.

      Something my father said to me when I was a kid really stuck with me over the years. "Liars NEVER have PERFECT memories, that's how you can tell if someone is telling the truth."

      It's second nature to me now, I always pay attention to details to see if someone is even plausibly telling the truth.

      Sadly, I feel like I'm watching a train wreck in slow motion now as the Red John thing winds down. Last episode had the supposed death of Kirkland. The only glimmer of hope for me was it did bring up one of the few consistencies since the beginning of the series. The recurring "twins" theme of Red John (Tyger Tyger, "fearful symmetry", Bob/Micheal Kirkland, etc). They even dropped some hints on how Kirkland's mother took a razor to herself, which is similar to Red John kills, etc. The problem is series consistency. I highly doubt Heller was being truthful when he said he knew who Red John was from the first episode of the series.

      It's so all over the place now, it's almost like Heller and his writers scoured the net reading theories that solved the mystery long ago and went "Well we'll have to change him again, someone else has figured it out". The rewrites then morphed RJ from most plausible to borderline ridiculous just to guarantee that big surprise ending.

      The only way his statement would appear to be true now (in my opinion) is that he planned from the beginning to make Red John a twin (or alter ego). Which did perfectly fit PJ/RJ for so many seasons. But this whole above the law, within the law secret society with the "Tyger Tyger" password, oh man, where to begin.

      Now it's most likely going to turn out to be the twin of someone on the final list. Kinda like a "surprise" ending to a serial killer's version of American Idol.

      And with all the happy couple time with Rigsby and Van Pelt, I'm surprised the Jaws theme isn't playing in the background.

      Sigh, it's getting really tedious (almost painful) to watch. :-|

      I think the big egg you mentioned that you said Heller might lay is starting to poke through the birth canal. :-\

      On a different note, I had such high hopes for S.H.I.E.L.D. and I've already stopped watching it. How can a guy like Joss Wheadon who creates television too good for television (e.g. Firefly and The Sarah Conner Chronicles) create such a stinker. It's almost like he dumbed it down for the masses in order to keep executives happy. Double sigh :-\

      Hal

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  16. Hey
    First of all .. sorry for the bad English you will read xD
    .. ok here's what i've been thinking ,,
    what if jane made a fake list of suspects ( the 7 ) to see if RJ can steal it or know it somehow ,, and he's real suspects are in he's head .. thus making RJ thinking he's safe ..

    Bazzil

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    1. Ooooo, Bazzil. That's some mind blowing thinking. A false list to lure in Red John. I had never gone there in my thinking. Welcome to the discussion. Feel free to share more any time. L-L

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  17. hmm .. i was right about the fake list .. but its RJ who stole it xD
    Bazzil

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  18. i meant not RJ .. sorry
    btw .. what do u think of the last episode ( 6 ) ?
    Bazzil

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  19. I tell you, Bazzil, my viewpoint on Mysteries (and "The Mentalist" in particular) changed all the way back a couple decades ago when I watched a movie called, "Star Trek: the Wrath of Khan" when Mr. Spock DIED. At the end of the movie I thought, "Oh, he'll be back!" And of course, Mr. Spock spent an entire movie coming back from the dead, (Star Trek: Search for Spock" ). Ever since then, I don't trust any "answer" to any mystery. They may say, "Tada! Here's the answer" and then completely work it around to say, "well, actually, we didn't mean that at all."
    All I know is that the Mentalist is making money. And as long as it is, they will continue to make episodes. And that means no matter how many times they SAY they've got Red John, I suspect they haven't. Even on the very very very very final episode I might not believe they've caught Red John. There's always a chance they will have "The Mentalist: Search for Red John". But it's a lot of fun. Like that old saying goes, "getting there is half the fun." And with all the theories floating around and so many people coming up with ideas of who RJ is, I think the writers of the show are going to have a difficult time making the conclusion more interesting than what y'all have thought up.
    I bow to your superior ideas. Love L-L

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  20. you were right .. simon baker did play the voice of red john .. as he said in an interview ( you can find it in ; Tvguide.com )

    Bazzil

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    1. Thanks, Bazzil, for all the comments you've left in regards to the Mentalist and Red John. It makes the posts much more exciting to have people involved. Your comments enhanced, enlightened and enlivened anything I wrote on the subject. Love Laura-Lee

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